Presidential Election

[Enuf3]

I don't care for either. But I'd pick Obama over McCain. Palin and McCain are incredibly dumb... and lie... badly. They contradict what the other says and just scream "more Bush". Even Palin was stupid enough to go on Saturday night live and groove to a song that was making fun of her... Ahoy... I think I should run for president.

[Bradlee]

I'm not sure who I support. But I can't vote, so yeah.

Personally I'm leaning torwards McCain/Palin. I'm completely against abortion because to me it's the equivilant of murder, and I'm 100% for gay rights and gay marriage. I consider myself more of an independent, and since both parties don't really support gay marriage, I'm leaning torward McCain's side. Plus, I do not want free health care to all. While I think everyone needs help who doesn't have health care [and want it, since obviously not all people feel the need to have it] I don't think it should be given freely to all. I have a friend in Canada who hates it because she said it's hard to find any good doctors anywhere because they all move to the states where they'll make more money. If we get something like that here, what are we to do if all of our doctors start leaving? I don't know, but I think all the years and efforts they put up with in college entitles them to make a good fortune.

Also, I really hate people who are completely left or completely right and are not open to others opinions. It annoys me to no end, and I honestly want to hit some of those people.

As for my opinion on abortion, I'm a huge advocate on supporting pro life legislation. I DO NOT support abortion unless the woman was raped [by anyone]. Obviously a woman who is raped did not choice to create the baby, and while it's still sad in my opinion for the child to be killed because of it, I totally understand why a woman would want to a abortion in that case. However, if the sex was something that wasn't forced and it was a decision made by both parties, I feel it is the woman's responsibility to have the baby. I do not think my mother should've had the choice to have me or abort me. Thankfully she's pro life too. No matter what, I believe abortion is murder and I will always be pro life on the issue. This comes from a totally non religious standpoint also.

As for me, I'm almost seventeen and i'm still a virgin, which is rare among the juniors in my grade. Why? It's not because I can't have sex; I know I could've a while back. But I've made the decision to not have sex because I don't want to have to face those risks, including STDS. I'm also all for Aids and HIV awareness, but that's something different. It has been MY DECISION to stay clean and not have sex. I do not think someone should be murdered before they even had the chance to live just because someone else decided to do the deed.

That's just how I feel.

[Enuf3]

I'm not sure who I support. But I can't vote, so yeah.

Personally I'm leaning torwards McCain/Palin. I'm completely against abortion because to me it's the equivilant of murder, and I'm 100% for gay rights and gay marriage. I consider myself more of an independent, and since both parties don't really support gay marriage, I'm leaning torward McCain's side. Plus, I do not want free health care to all. While I think everyone needs help who doesn't have health care [and want it, since obviously not all people feel the need to have it] I don't think it should be given freely to all. I have a friend in Canada who hates it because she said it's hard to find any good doctors anywhere because they all move to the states where they'll make more money. If we get something like that here, what are we to do if all of our doctors start leaving? I don't know, but I think all the years and efforts they put up with in college entitles them to make a good fortune.

Also, I really hate people who are completely left or completely right and are not open to others opinions. It annoys me to no end, and I honestly want to hit some of those people.

As for my opinion on abortion, I'm a huge advocate on supporting pro life legislation. I DO NOT support abortion unless the woman was raped [by anyone]. Obviously a woman who is raped did not choice to create the baby, and while it's still sad in my opinion for the child to be killed because of it, I totally understand why a woman would want to a abortion in that case. However, if the sex was something that wasn't forced and it was a decision made by both parties, I feel it is the woman's responsibility to have the baby. I do not think my mother should've had the choice to have me or abort me. Thankfully she's pro life too. No matter what, I believe abortion is murder and I will always be pro life on the issue. This comes from a totally non religious standpoint also.

As for me, I'm almost seventeen and i'm still a virgin, which is rare among the juniors in my grade. Why? It's not because I can't have sex; I know I could've a while back. But I've made the decision to not have sex because I don't want to have to face those risks, including STDS. I'm also all for Aids and HIV awareness, but that's something different. It has been MY DECISION to stay clean and not have sex. I do not think someone should be murdered before they even had the chance to live just because someone else decided to do the deed.

That's just how I feel.

If you're 100% for gay rights why are you following Palin and McCain? Palin is the biggest hypocrite. She says she has gay friends and a "diverse" family but then shoots down any chances of gays getting married. Obama seems to show more tolerance towards the subject.

And I basically support abortion... to a certain level. I think it's gross, yes.. but after all, this thing HAS to grow inside the woman. It should be her choice.. for a certain amount of time. Once it grows and starts becoming aware of it's own existence, then it should be murder.

Palin basically charged rape victims... Which is kinda sick.

[Bradlee]

"It's funny to me that the left winged people are saying, "People won't vote for Obama because of the color of his skin" --No. That's not the case. If McCain were Green I'd still vote for him. The reason I don't want Obama to be elected is plain and simple. He will be a poor leader with extreme radical friends and extreme socialist views. Oh yeah! And he has no experience."

I know where I live, many of the black people [yes, black. I only use African American labels for people who actually came to America within their lifetime to live from Africa. I'm a white American, others are Black Americans. Who cares?] in my school support Obama just because he's "Black" [When technically he's 50% white]. What a STUPID reason to vote for him. Yes, it's bad for a white person to not vote for Obama because of his skin color, but it's just as stupid for someone to vote for Obama just because of his skin color. We were doing a poll in my high school for our newspaper [The Lion's Roar] and you would not believe how many kids I heard saying they were going to vote for Obama because he "Is a black brotha" or something stupid like that. It's an immature and stupid reason to vote for someone, and one should not be allowed to vote if they show their lack of education in doing so.

[gh0570fchurch]

i think that abortion should at least be legal in rape cases.

and i agree with bradlee that race is a very stupid reason to vote/not vote for a candidate.

[Bradlee]

Yes, Obama and Biden seem more okay on the subject, but none of the candidates really offer support. Plus abortion is worse in my opinion because the baby doesn't get a choice. Marriage to me doesn't define my love, and even if gays could get married I wouldn't get married just because personally I think marriage is a stupid label. If you love someone, you love them. Getting married isn't go to say "I love PERSON" any more than telling that person you do.

So... Yes, both parties are stupid on the subject and I do wish someone would support gay marriage. But in my opinion, being pro life is more important than gay rights just because one who's gay is already alive while a baby in the womb hasn't even had a shot at life yet.

[Enuf3]

Well the reason the gay rights thing is such an issue is because America is SUPPOSED to be free and all are supposed to have equal rights. This no rights for the gays thing goes against what we live for.

Same with the subject on abortion. The country should work with Pro-Choice. This baby has to grow inside the woman.. The woman has to endure much hell before and after the birth. A fetus doesn't actually feel pain or anything until after seven months (although doctors are required to say it "may feel pain")... So an early abortion imo, isn't as much of a big deal. My cousin just had an abortion.. and believe me, it was for the best. She's immature and incapable of raising a kid.. her home life is destructive and all of her siblings, except for one, are failures and jail bound. Bringing a baby into that would be the destruction of an aware living being. Far worse than getting rid of a little fetus.

Besides, a fetus or newborn have incredibly low intelligence. They don't understand any languages, so it's not like they can think "oh, I'm hungry" or anything like that. Yes, they may have VERY basic instincts, but that's it. A lot of people get over dramatic on the subject.

So yes, I think it's sick... But I am pro-choice.

[gh0570fchurch]

abortion is a very touchy subject.  i think that it's a horrible thing to do, but it's not my choice.  if a woman wants to get an abortion, it's her body, and i can't stop that.  if i had to say anything, i'd say i'm pro-choice.

[Natty ♫=♥]

Interesting Bradlee. I like what you have to say.

I'm more moderate myself. I support gays/lesbians. I know many people who are gay or lesbian and I love them and want the very best for them. If a gay man in....let's say in Tennessee were to get married....what affect does that have on me? None. So why is it such a difficult thing to allow? Because it's not "normal" or "natural" Well I say we all have one life and we choose how to live it. So let men who love other men get married. The only problem I have is I don't believe it should be taught in schools to younger children. I can understand in college level but not in elementary school. I don't get the point of that.

On abortion, I'm pro-life but with the exception of rape and if the child were to live an incredibly difficult life or if the mothers life was on the line.    :

     A co-worker of mine was taking medication for either it was a cyst or cancer treatment or blood treatment, I can't remember exactly but anyway, she was taking this medication and became pregnant. Ultimately, she aborted the baby because of the very serious complications the baby would have due to taking the medication. I think she made the right call. So I'm not 100% all the way pro-life, I think there are always exceptions. However if a teen decides to become sexually active and becomes pregnant, that was the decision she made and she must bare the consequence. You don't just abort a child because, "Oopsie daisy! I don't want to be prego!" Sorry, I don't believe in that.



And still waiting to hear some positives on Obama.

[Enuf3]

And still waiting to hear some positives on Obama.

Here's one:

..The fact that he isn't Bush or McCain.. 

[Natty ♫=♥]

And still waiting to hear some positives on Obama.

Here's one:

..The fact that he isn't Bush or McCain.. 

Lmao...silly boy I said name a positive!!! Not a negative....I know too many of those...

[Enuf3]

lol Well good, I hope you also know that McCain is a huge Bush supporter.. lol And well, look where Bush got us.

Like I said.. I don't care for either side. I could do better than both with my eyes closed and hands tied behind my back. I just feel Obama is the lesser of two evils. McCain and Palin are the biggest moronic duo I have ever seen. They contradict each other, neither can answer a simple darn question. At least Obama can seem professional and show qualities of a good leader... But just listening to McCain and Palin speak.. is enough to pray those two don't get in.. McCain cant support himself and every single one of his ads are in attack against Obama.. and even sometimes, get this, celebrities.

The guy is gonna kick the bucket any day now... Which means Palin gets in, and Palin is basically an idiot. I mean.. just turn on the tv... you'll see. 

But you know what. They both suck.. I think you should all vote for me and some day I'll rule the world.

[Bradlee]

While I understand that sometimes abortion may seem like it's for the best, like the destructive environment you've described, I still feel like it's wrong. I take sociology and understand that if the child was born he or she would probably still follow that lifestyle of the parents or whoever he or she is around, but I feel like it's punishing someone before the committed the crime. I just don't see the justice in it. And many people who get abortion are perfectly heathy and so is the child. They just simply choose not to have it, which I think is selfish.

I'm not completely pro life. I still have my exceptions. But I still feel like overall abortion is wrong and should be outlawed unless it's one of those certain circumstances.

[gh0570fchurch]

read some of his policies. don't vote for someone based on what other people tell you, but instead make your own decision.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/27/america/NA-POL-US-Elections-Where-They-Stand.php

[Enuf3]

Hey, I think it's wrong too.. It's sad and depressing. But if a mother could even consider killing the kid without it ever having a chance... it just proves she's an unfit mother and doesn't deserve it. If they're selfish, the baby will end up being shleped around like a bag of sugar.

[Bradlee]

I think I should be the first Independent president. [:

[Bradlee]

Eh. I still think it sucks. I'd want that shot at life regardless.

[Enuf3]

Eh. I still think it sucks. I'd want that shot at life regardless.

And then comes in religion... what if people are "reborn" and the child does get another chance? But again... I don't want to drag in religion. Just an open thought.

[Bradlee]

Yeah I've thought of that, but I try to keep religious views out of my opinion on this subject just because no one truely knows what religion, if any, is the right one.

Personally I'm a pagan, and I believe in the possibility of reincarnation.

But for abortion, just because I believe something may be possible doesn't mean it's true. So I'm kind of an agnostic theist.

But yeah. I keep religious views out as much as possible.

[Enuf3]

As do I. It was just an open thought.

Pagan eh? I'm actually wearing the pagan star around my neck right now.